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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

confirming
by Versace
on Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:07 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

prod dodge
by Versace
on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:28 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

Jimmy Choo wrote:I feel that what the majority of us will do as scum in this situation is more likely what they will be doing...


if i was scum id just prod dodge and not post
by Versace
on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:51 pm
 
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i havent read everything

Hermès wrote:
Valentino wrote:70% of the time that list is perfectly accurate


Reads are one thing, saying conf town (and then contradicting yourself by saying it's 70% accurate???) is another. I'm far from stupid. Douchey town is a shitty playstyle so let's just refrain from insulting and being asses please. Don't be a TIWSS.

Sasha Obama hi how r u gurl. How u doin. U r a qt.

is this a town read?

jimmy is new
vivienne is hard to read, antitown but not scummy
valentino is just blaine in set 1 but it looks scummy
^dior votes were weird
hermes is bad but prob town
miu is scummy but i need to read more
no idea on marchesa or burberry yet, rest are inactive

this game is nsfw
by Versace
on Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:20 pm
 
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two of you didnt get that my third post was a joke smh
by Versace
on Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:39 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

Lucifer wrote:grab

dat ass

i agree with hermes, townreading me is an overreaction
by Versace
on Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:23 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

vote prada
by Versace
on Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:25 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

but my post was a joke, i didnt mean to play around with my "suspicion" seriously
by Versace
on Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:32 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

Bulgari wrote:
Versace wrote:vote prada

Explain?

prada posted this logic for his votes, got called out by dior, and never came back. its been a while and he seems scummy and not in an inexperienced town way
chanel:

Chanel wrote:jimmy is new ok, does that make him town or scum? not all new players are town js

hes not a good lynch right now. he had 2 votes when i made that post, thats not exactly a wagon but i put in my 2c
vivienne is hard to read, antitown but not scummy what makes her anti-town and not scum?

its not helpful to post in riddles and rhymes but i dont know why hes doing it
valentino is just blaine in set 1 but it looks scummy how?

i think you mean how is it scummy?
blaine looked scummy in set 1 even if he flipped town. valentino keeps wagoning and making useless posts. if he isnt the same player that may be a scum tell, if he is then lol
^dior votes were weird same as first point

i agree with what someone said earlier, the scum probably didnt bus that early, so slight maybe
hermes is bad but prob town why is he probably town

he just looks like town playing active but badly and getting negative att, typical d1 kx (im not saying hes kx but you know what i mean)
miu is scummy but i need to read more explain

fits cautious scum and not a bad lynch, but maybe too well. its wifom but thats a dumb thing to do as scum in a game this big. i need to see more from miu to make a good read. the post about keeping on eye on me wasnt great but playing cautious with 25 players is extreme even for bad scum
Most of Versace's reads lack explanation and while he does do reads, he doesn't outright call out anyone as scum. Reading as scummy, but I'll give you a chance to explain your reads and answer my questions. Also, anyone who you think is absolute scum? (meaning not just anti-town)

im voting prada
i wont pretend to have the game won yet but i do what i can

tiffany only little girls use third person for themselves. audrey hepburn was a classy lady.

i dont like fendi but im not seeing a real case on armani

town/scum/null:
Spoiler:
Alexander McQueen (null)
Armani (town)
Bulgari (null)
Burberry (town)
Chanel (town)
Dior (town)
Fendi (scum)
Givenchy (null)
Gucci (null)
Hermès (town)
Jimmy Choo (town)
Kate Spade (null)
Louis Vuitton (scum)
Marchesa (town)
Miu Miu (null)
Prada (scum)
Ray-Ban (null)
Tiffany (null)
Valentino (null)
Vera Wang (scum)
Versace (me)
Vivienne Westwood (null)
Yves Saint Laurent (null)
Zara (null)
by Versace
on Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:29 am
 
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"slight maybe" = "slight town maybe"
by Versace
on Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:32 am
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

mad

Hermès wrote:I swear I'm sober right now.

thats the problem
Dior wrote:Oh wow, realised that should've said page 9, my bad. But I looked again and decided this was a really weird reaction to have, why so defensive about it?

no that wasnt scum from jimmy, thought i wasnt taking him seriously

Burberry wrote:Versace I can follow most of your reads list but I don't understand the scum read on Louis Vuitton.

he wants to vote miu but cant think of a real reason (was louis the one where i put the link?)
by Versace
on Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:29 am
 
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i was going to post something but i need to read that
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:24 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

i also forgot what it was a page or two ago

i cannot read this post or anything tiffany posts and feel good about them, diors reads are weird (hypocrisy is good?) but i still think hes town
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:42 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

vote vote vote

i see hermes agrees on dior reads
and likes my junk
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:47 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

hermes what happened to louis being scum?
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:09 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

oh right kanye lol
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:10 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

Fuck it, I'm not posting in lowercase anymore. It pisses me off.

Which tiny post?
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:17 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

Oh you're being ironic, aren't you.

I'm glad he actually pointed out what was wrong with this post (the hypocrisy) unlike a lot of people who commented on it.

To those implicitly comparing it with Ortheore in Vanilla: he was town.
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:19 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

I just linked to fendi's post

I meant this one
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:20 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

Also: I'm not speculating/commenting/confirming/denying on aliases to anyone but myself.
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:32 pm
 
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@Burberry: I don't think so if you've actually been on the fence about it. But it's hard to tell if he was in that instance because of the way he said it so directly in this post.
by Versace
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:46 pm
 
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I don't have time to say anything substantial but I encourage you to compare Louis's post to my post.

Tiffany, there is a difference between believing that Jimmy believed his own argument and believing his argument. The question mark read is bollocks.
by Versace
on Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:50 pm
 
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Oh, hi Jimmy.

I really think it is.
by Versace
on Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:51 pm
 
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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

I haven't read anything since my last post, except to check that nobody hammered anybody yet. What I wanted to post was something like this:

I should apologize to Jimmy for being rude to him without acknowledging the points he makes. Sometimes I can't understand them and forget to ask him to clarify his posts, but sometimes it's because (as I am about to explain) I think he is being taken advantage of by scum who want his arguments to look better than they are. He could be on a different scum team, but personally I don't think so. I suppose he could even be a partner, but I also find that unlikely.

Thanks in part to Hermes's huge post opening my eyes to it, I have become pretty convinced that Tiffany, Louis, and Prada are on a scum team together.

Tiffany & Louis: His first post about her seemed odd to me at the time, but I didn't realize the implication until later. He said here that Tiffany was a bad vote because people were mistaking a post condition (whether real or fake) with scumminess, but then went a step further and said it actually implied she was town. Hermes noted the chainsawing in this post, and I agree with that interpretation. This actually began a crusade of fallacious posts against Bulgari at that point (accusing him of hypocritically fence-sitting when he did not), and I believe this is where the entire spat about Jimmy's posts came in. I am fairly sure that Tiffany is scum trying to take advantage of a new town player, one whose posts are frankly often difficult to understand, to distract us from the fact that her vote was just a chainsaw defense.

Tiffany & Fendi: Fendi hasn't posted very much, but after his first vote in the game Burberry made a post about how his reasoning seemed "artificial." I thought he meant that Fendi's post seemed like scum trying to vote town, but considering how quickly Fendi moved to get his vote off (compare this post to this post, made within a few hours of each other) I think it's more that he was bussing a partner but didn't want a wagon. Tiffany hasn't talked much about him, and since no one has voted Tiffany it's difficult to look for defense on her part. Note that Fendi is currently setting up a dichotomy between Vera and Miu after Tiffany and he have supported a lynch on Miu. I think this is because Miu is not on his team, so he thinks Miu is town. This also explains why he is suddenly interested in unvoting Miu and doing an ISO on Tiffany. He expects Miu (who could be on another scum team) to flip town and wants to distance somewhat from Miu's last scum read. I see that he still has not done the ISO, so I won't say what I expect his final read to be, but I'll see after it happens.

Louis & Fendi: I thought Louis's reads were similar in style and content to my reads, and one of the exceptions was that Fendi was null. It would be helpful if either of these two had posted more.

All three have tried to distance themselves from the Miu lynch while pledging support. Two of them unvoted some time ago, and the third has decided not to post anymore, which is a way to say "It's out of my hands." She also said Miu was not a great lynch a few pages before voting him.

I don't know if I want to change my vote in light of this. My gut reads Prada and Miu as scum. The evidence to support them as partners is weak: Prada's first vote was on the only person who voted Miu and Miu made a post against Prada but it didn't lead to anything. It seems like Miu is the only person likely to be lynched at this point other than my town read Hermes, so I can always vote him. Maybe I should read the rest of the thread first.

A general note on false dichotomy: The main offenders are Tiffany and Fendi, both of whom are probably scum, but it's important for everyone to know that the mere fact that two people are arguing does not mean much about their alignments. Even if each genuinely wants the other to be lynched, they could both be town, or be on two different scum teams since this is a closed setup. One person defending another openly enough also may mean they are probably not partners, but as before they could both be town or be on different scum teams. Not to mention you could just be wrong. "They can't both be town" is an easy way to turn one mislynch into two, while "They can't both be scum" is an easy way to save one partner after another partner is lynched.
by Versace
on Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:11 pm
 
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no one has voted Fendi*
by Versace
on Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:51 pm
 
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