FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

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Post by Lucifer on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:03 pm

Players Alive: Bulgari, Burberry, Chanel, Givenchy, Marchesa, Vivienne Westwood, Yves Saint Laurent

Players Dead:
Miu Miu, worn by Amanda Seyfried, was a Town Fruit Vendor - lynched Day 1.
Dior, worn by Mila Kunis, was a Triggered Suicidal Innocent Child - killed Night 1.
Kate Spade, worn by Sasha Obama, was a Town Unrequited Lover - killed Night 2.
Hermès, worn by Miley Cyrus, was a Town Unrequited Lover - committed suicide Night 2.
Tiffany, worn by Audrey Hepburn, was a Town Bulletproof Miller - killed Day 3.
Louis Vuitton, worn by Kanye West, was a Town Compulsive Vanillaiser - lynched Day 3.
Fendi, worn by Tupac Shakur, was a Mafia Traitor & Absorber - killed Night 3.
Ray-Ban, worn by Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, was a Town Reporter - lynched Day 4.
Versace, worn by Drake, was a Town Super Hated Doublevoter - killed Night 4.
Alexander McQueen, worn by some unknown model, was a Town Cop - lynched Day 5.
Vera Wang, worn by Anne Hathaway, was a Town Neighbor - killed Night 5.
Gucci, worn by Jennifer Lawrence, was a Town Suicide Bomber - blown up Day 6.
Valentino, worn by Florence Welch, was a Mafia 1-Shot Ninja and 2-Shot Sensor - blown up Day 6.
Jimmy Choo, worn by Kim Kardashian's feet, was a Town Neighbor - killed Night 6.
Prada, worn by Meryl Streep, was a Mafia Passive Jack-of-all-Trades - lynched Day 7.
Zara, worn by Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, was a Town Jailkeeper - killed Night 7.
Armani, worn by Cristiano Ronaldo, was a Vanilla Townie - lynched Day 8.

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Replacements: Louis Vuitton, Kate Spade, Hermès, Givenchy, Armani, Vivienne Westwood, Armani, Vivienne Westwood, Marchesa, Zara, Marchesa, Vivienne Westwood, Chanel

Previous Threads: Day 1, Day 2, Day 3.1, Day 3.2-3.9, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6, Day 7

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Post by Lucifer on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:03 pm

[Today is a very, very, VERY  special day.]

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Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, I would very much appreciate it if you walked at our fashion show dressed in Zara! And this is a secret, but if for some reason we randomly decide to have a mafia game during the show, you'll be a Town Jailkeeper!



[[ DAY 8 BEGINS ]]

Not Voting (8) - Armani, Bulgari, Burberry, Chanel, Givenchy, Marchesa, Vivienne Westwood, Yves Saint Laurent

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Town is in MYLO. If a Town player is lynched today, Town risks losing during the Night.

Deadline is Fri. Mar. 28 @ 16:00 EST, approximately 6 days from now.


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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Post by Lucifer on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:09 pm

Armani is partially V/LA for a short while.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Post by Givenchy on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:18 pm

Morning dearies~~~

So there are 5 town and 3 scum left. Once again I must emphasize that voting at this stage is crucial since otherwise we will simply lose our cleaned player (Yves) tonight and gain nothing.

Also once again town must (hypothetically) be perfectly united to get a lynch. Obviously scum can bus (they did yesterday, I'm sure of it). But we can't afford to split our votes.

My thoughts on who today's lynch target should be coming up in a bit.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Post by Marchesa on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:33 pm

Prada (6) - Yves Saint Laurent, Givenchy, Burberry, Armani, Zara, Bulgari
Not Voting (3) - Chanel, Marchesa, Vivienne Westwood

Armani- Vanillaised Seraph Knight
Bulgari- Town reflexive follower
Burberry- 3 shot CPR Doctor
Chanel - One shot dayvig (possibly restricted to Day 3, Chanel needs to clarify this)
Givenchy- Unrequited lover
Marchesa- Town Actor
Viv- Town Gladiator
Yves- Town Neighbour

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Post by Givenchy on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:37 pm

I think the obvious lynch for today is Burberry.

With Zara flipping town, we can now trust her results. For those who haven't been paying attention, Burb claimed to have used up all 3 of her shots here. However, Zara claimed that she was on Burb night 4, and the mod confirmed that if roleblocked, a shot wouldn't be used. Meaning Burb wouldn't actually be out of shots, meaning Burb claim was fake.

Now, lets deduce what must be true if Burb's claim is actually true.

Something must explain why there was only 1 kill both nights that Burb claimed her CPR kill succeeded (nights 3 and 5). The only reason the mafia kill would fail is if some town role prevented this, and the only claim we have that can prevent kills is Zara's jailkeep. [It is not possible for mafia to have targeted the same person as Burb due to the nature of the CPR Doctor role, unless there is a third party killer who has only sucessfully killed on nights 3 and 5. This possibility is so far out there for so many reasons I think we can rule it out.] Zara's roleblock stopping the mafia kill would mean that Armani sent in the mafia kill night 3, and I sent it in night 5 (since we were Zara's targets on the corresponding nights). Obviously I know this to be untrue since I know I am not mafia.

However, even if you believe the above to be possible, then in order for Burb to be town we also have to explain why Burb still lost a shot. This would mean that mafia has a higher priority redirect/roleblock/stop and this action was on Zara that night. While this is possible, nothing else in this game points to the existence of such a scum role. For example, why would mafia kill Zara (who I had listed on my scumreads) if they knew they had a failsafe way of controlling her action?

Other questionable points in Burb's claim and play this game:

~She claims to have killed Vera, who at the time was the only neighbor that we could consider cleaned by Alex, who had flipped town before Burb killed Vera.

~She was completely and 100% convinced that Val was town when in my opinion it made no sense from a town perspective for her to be.

tldr; Burb is by far our best lynch today.

I'm going to hold off on voting until we reach some sort of consensus though. Scum only needs 2 votes to hypothetically quicklynch so I advise town is very careful when voting.

Lets move fast though, don't want to not get a lynch today.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Post by Marchesa on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:39 pm

Posted the above for convenience sake, seeing as we'll probably be discussing the Prada wagon and the claims a lot today

Not sure what to think of Burberry now that Zara flipped town jailkeeper on an odd night.

There was definitely at least one scum on that wagon, the way Armani hopped on in particular bothered me.

For me it's 3 of these 5 at this point

Armani
Bulgari
Burberry
Chanel
Viv

Scum gladiator seems OP so if Viv proves their ability I'll probably start townreading them, probably shouldn't be used today though

[size=12.727272033691406]I don't think one shot dayvig is too OP in a 24 person game.[/size]

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Post by Marchesa on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:48 pm

Prada's flip makes the Burberry stuff possible but Givenchy is right there's just so much to explain

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Post by Vivienne Westwood on Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:37 pm

Marchesa wrote:
For me it's 3 of these 5 at this point

Armani
Bulgari
Burberry
Chanel
Viv

Scum gladiator seems OP so if Viv proves their ability I'll probably start townreading them, probably shouldn't be used today though
In your last post you labeled Bulgari and Viv as "town". The scums are obvious then.

I can prove my ability when we had decided, and I mean DECIDED on a lynch target. There will be no turning back.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Post by Givenchy on Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:05 pm

Vivienne (and others):

If you all could post thoughts on the scumteam and who you think we should lynch today that would be dandy~

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Post by Givenchy on Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:06 pm

I still think Armani and Bulgari are the final scum, not ruling out the possibility that Viv or Chanel are though.

Still townreading Marchesa and Yves.

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Post by Givenchy on Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:09 pm

I do think the Seraph Knight claim is somewhat questionable.

I don't think Lucifer would put it in with a Cop and have the game devolve into "follow the cop", which is why I suspect jailkeeper was town's protective role.

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Post by Burberry on Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:07 pm

Givenchy wrote:Now, lets deduce what must be true if Burb's claim is actually true.

Something must explain why there was only 1 kill both nights that Burb claimed her CPR kill succeeded (nights 3 and 5). The only reason the mafia kill would fail is if some town role prevented this, and the only claim we have that can prevent kills is Zara's jailkeep. [It is not possible for mafia to have targeted the same person as Burb due to the nature of the CPR Doctor role, unless there is a third party killer who has only sucessfully killed on nights 3 and 5. This possibility is so far out there for so many reasons I think we can rule it out.] Zara's roleblock stopping the mafia kill would mean that Armani sent in the mafia kill night 3, and I sent it in night 5 (since we were Zara's targets on the corresponding nights). Obviously I know this to be untrue since I know I am not mafia.

However, even if you believe the above to be possible, then in order for Burb to be town we also have to explain why Burb still lost a shot. This would mean that mafia has a higher priority redirect/roleblock/stop and this action was on Zara that night. While this is possible, nothing else in this game points to the existence of such a scum role. For example, why would mafia kill Zara (who I had listed on my scumreads) if they knew they had a failsafe way of controlling her action?

I believe Armani sent in the kill night 3 and mafia targetted you night 5. I guess me being mafia and lying about my claim is a lot simpler than me being town and someone messing with Zara's jailkeep on me, but besides a mod error, that is what happened. Since Prada flipped Jack of all Trades, some kind of roleblock or redirect on the side of the mafia is definitely possible. This would also explain why Zara was killed because they can't control her action forever.

If we are going to assume that Zara's jailkeep wasn't actually on me, then why did my kill on Prada fail? This is probably making the case against myself worse but it points towards a very loose end and the only I can think of is someone else having a kill...which means it might not just be town and mafia. Alternatively, Armani is a Mafia Seraph Knight and even when vanillaised the protection still exists. From mafiascum wiki:

MafiaScum wrote:It is particularly rare for someone to survive a CPR Doctor protection, barring outside interference such as other Doctors protecting the patient from the CPR Doctor's kill.

Givenchy wrote:Other questionable points in Burb's claim and play this game:

~She claims to have killed Vera, who at the time was the only neighbor that we could consider cleaned by Alex, who had flipped town before Burb killed Vera.

~She was completely and 100% convinced that Val was town when in my opinion it made no sense from a town perspective for her to be.

At that point I wasn't buying into the redirector business and was thinking godfather millers. I can't seem to recall what that theory was but haven't recent events disproved that?

Anyways, I was too focused on neighbors being scum because they themselves had brought it up and my personal opinion was that within a three-person neighborhood at least one was clearly scum, along with Valentino's results which EVERYONE was basing their play off of for at least some time. (The reason why I am not jumping on Yves now is because there are far scummier players to me.)

I hate to play the WIFOM card but the kills I've made (Fendi, Vera) don't mesh at all with the kills mafia have made (Dior, Versace, Jimmy). Maybe Kate was an odd kill but the nature of her role was probably designed to get Hermes out as well. Actually it doesn't even make sense how mafia can know who is an unrequited lover and with whom, so don't hold much weight to this paragraph, if any.

As for townreading Val, I had townread her before her sensor claim and since I knew my own innocence I believed we could win the game with her results. When there were 3/4 people that were mafia according to her results it fit that Jimmy, Yves, and Prada could all be scum (not all neighbors are town, Prada was scummy in general). I personally don't think this is an issue worth arguing any more but if you want me to talk about this more then by all means ask.

Givenchy wrote:tldr; Burb is by far our best lynch today.

It's Armani. I could probably expand on this but really the only thing I needed to see is how he made a focused case on Jimmy, didn't even vote him, and then we see how Jimmy dies which implies Armani just wanted to put up a lot of noise instead of actually scumhunting (he probably hadn't even commented on a Prada lynch all game, I should check later).

The scumteam is Armani/Bulgari/[Chanel/Vivienne/Yves]. I am not totally townreading Givenchy though because her claim is weird to me and the crumb is something I don't get at all. Vivienne shouldn't be considered until we at least lynch Armani because even if she were to be a scum gladiator we could tell her to 1v1 who we think is her partner and then have a win-win situation in that case.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Post by Marchesa on Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:08 pm

I'm still torn on Burberry despite everything, it seems we all agree Armani is scum, is anyone opposed to lynching Armani?

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Post by Marchesa on Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:14 pm

Another thing that makes me hesitant is that if Burberry was scum. Why kill Zara when going into MYLO? I think Burberry can wait a little longer, I'm more comfortable getting Armani today

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Post by Yves Saint Laurent on Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:31 pm

i asked this earlier, getting no response, but why would the scum redirect the vanillaise onto their partner if they were scum? also- didnt armani have to choose someone n1 to protect? id like these questions answered before we lynch him, if he is the lynch for today. the only reason there would be a mafia seraph knight in this game would be to protect from a vigs kills (burberry) since there is no third party. there is a good chance he is scum.

i do think marchesa is town, and i am almost 100% confident givenchy is. if lucifier wanted to make the other two lovers, he could have just called them "lovers" and not "unrequited lovers".

and viv, if you use your power you arent confirmed town, youre just confirmed gladiator. i dont doubt your claim as gladiator, so you should probably save it for later instead of using it today. a scum gladiator is completely possible though.

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Post by Marchesa on Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:45 pm

The redirect on to Armani could have come from Prada's passive jack of all trades.

Also, I wasn't in the game at the time but had Louis claimed vanillaiser at the point that Armani was vanillaised?

Another possibility is that they thought Louis was going to target one of the scum and as Armani's Seraph Knight protection stayed after a vannilaise, they redirected it to him as they weren't losing anything plus they could set this up later where we are doubting that Armani is scum due to the vanillaise.

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Post by Yves Saint Laurent on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:05 pm

makes sense. how does a passive joat even work?

and to answer your question marchesa, yes, because people told louis to vanillaise someone after he had claimed, dont remember who or exactly why, but the next day armani claimed to have been vanillaised instead of the intended target.

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Post by Givenchy on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:14 pm

um no Louie vanillaised Armani since he was his top scumread. There was no redirection or anything going on idk what is making you guys think this.

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Post by Marchesa on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:32 pm

Yves has a point about a mafia Seraph Knight only needing to exist if town had a role with the ability to night kill and Burberry is the only one to have claimed this. So if Armani flips scum wouldn't Burberry be clean?

The only other thing that comes to mind is the traitor had a separate kill and it being used for that seems highly unlikely with there only being one kill each night.

Also, has Armani ever claimed who their protection is/was on?

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Post by Yves Saint Laurent on Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:27 am

traitors never have a separate kill from the mafia faction. and armani claimed to be on hermes, and thought he turned into a vt(before louis's claim) because hermes died the same night he got vanillaised.

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Post by Vivienne Westwood on Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:38 pm

Assuming Armani's ability still apply after he was vanillaised, Armani could have been on Prada. Could this explain the failed kill by Burberry?

What is the probability of Burberry busing at this point? Since killing Zara ensures that town stays in MYLO.

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Post by Givenchy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:56 pm

@Lucifer I don't know if this was asked earlier but if an unrequited lover's partner is nightkilled, will they die as well despite being protected?

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Post by Marchesa on Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:06 pm

this question will be inevitable so

@lucifer- If a Seraph Knight is vannillaised does their protection disappear?

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Post by Lucifer on Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:42 am

Givenchy wrote:@Lucifer I don't know if this was asked earlier but if an unrequited lover's partner is nightkilled, will they die as well despite being protected?

A Protect or Doctor-based action will block Kill, but not Non-Kill Death.

Marchesa wrote:@lucifer- If a Seraph Knight is vannillaised does their protection disappear?

Passive powers are only activated for as long as the passive role exists.

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