FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Lucifer on Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:22 am

First topic message reminder :

Players Alive: Armani, Bulgari, Burberry, Chanel, Givenchy, Jimmy Choo, Marchesa, Prada, Vivienne Westwood, Yves Saint Laurent, Zara

Players Dead:
Miu Miu, worn by Amanda Seyfried, was a Town Fruit Vendor - lynched Day 1.
Dior, worn by Mila Kunis, was a Triggered Suicidal Innocent Child - killed Night 1.
Kate Spade, worn by Sasha Obama, was a Town Unrequited Lover - killed Night 2.
Hermès, worn by Miley Cyrus, was a Town Unrequited Lover - committed suicide Night 2.
Tiffany, worn by Audrey Hepburn, was a Town Bulletproof Miller - killed Day 3.
Louis Vuitton, worn by Kanye West, was a Town Compulsive Vanillaiser - lynched Day 3.
Fendi, worn by Tupac Shakur, was a Mafia Traitor & Absorber - killed Night 3.
Ray-Ban, worn by Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, was a Town Reporter - lynched Day 4.
Versace, worn by Drake, was a Town Super Hated Doublevoter - killed Night 4.
Alexander McQueen, worn by some unknown model, was a Town Cop - lynched Day 5.
Vera Wang, worn by Anne Hathaway, was a Town Neighbor - killed Night 5.
Gucci, worn by Jennifer Lawrence, was a Town Suicide Bomber - blown up Day 6.
Valentino, worn by Florence Welch, was a Mafia 1-Shot Ninja and 2-Shot Sensor - blown up Day 6.

Votecounts: Lucifer's ISO

Replacements: Louis Vuitton, Kate Spade, Hermès, Givenchy, Armani, Vivienne Westwood, Armani, Vivienne Westwood, Marchesa, Zara, Marchesa

Previous Threads: Day 1, Day 2, Day 3.1, Day 3.2-3.9, Day 4, Day 5

Things To Note:


  • All roles are variations/modifications of the ones listed here.
  • No posts for 48 hours = prodded. 3 prods or no post/response in 24 hours = replaced.
  • You can see if a player is online with a small blue box in the top right corner of their posts (if they have not hidden their online status).
  • Players may only request one deadline extension per game if 25% of the players (rounded up) post in thread asking for one, bolded for me to see.
  • This game uses the following Night Action Resolution, or "priority". Simultaneous actions will both occur, and actions that combine these use the first priority:
    Spoiler:
    Copy
    Commute
    Hide
    Redirection
    Roleblock/stop
    Jailkeep
    Miscellaneous
    Protect
    Kill
    Doctor
    Result-Based Actions
    Non-Kill Death


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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Bulgari on Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:47 am

@Burberry, how could you still believe in the validity of Valentino's results? As scum, there's no reason why he would be honest with us, and it's clear he was using his faked results in order to force mislynch after mislynch.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Lucifer on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:39 pm

[[ VOTECOUNT 6.5 ]]


Some Alexander McQueen on the runway.


Burberry (3) - Yves Saint Laurent, Prada, Givenchy
Prada (2) - Jimmy Choo, Burberry
Yves Saint Laurent (1) - Bulgari

Not Voting (5) - Armani, Chanel, Marchesa, Vivienne Westwood, Zara

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST, approximately 2.5 days from now.

Prods coming soon.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Jimmy Choo on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:44 pm

Thanks Gucci for stepping up to that one, did need to be done in one way or another didnt it. Makes sense really.

@ Bulgari: isnt Yves effectively cleaned from Alex's results though? Or is there something that you know that might change this?

Vote still on Prada due to scummy play which i have noted in the past.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Yves Saint Laurent on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:53 pm

holy fuck gucci that was amazing

oh and before i forget

unlynch

and im probably looking scummy as fuck now for believing valen more than i did alex. but givenchy, that suddenly makes so much sense. theres most likely only the one scum party, the sensor was only to find out who the traitor was.

now, time to go over the claims:

armani- seraph knight, was turned into a vanilla townie by ray ban, was protecting hermes
bulgari- none yet
burberry- cpr doctor
chanel- day 3 dayvig (1-shot)
givenchy- none yet
jmmy- neighbour
marchesa- none yet
prada- none yet
vivienne- none yet
yves- neighbour
zara- some role with a night action

might have messed up/missed some claims... tell me if so.

now time to see who was on the alex wagon:

Alexander McQueen (Cool - Valentino, Yves Saint Laurent, Armani, Burberry, Bulgari, Chanel, Givenchy, Jimmy Choo

assuming there are 4 scum alive... my strongest scumreads are prada, bulgari, givenchy, and... someone else, not entirely sure yet. well see once everyone claims.

everyone should claim, i agree, so do so now!!!

vote prada

strongest scumread out of the 3 i mentioned earlier, due to scummy earlier play and especially the way she reacted to valen's results.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Givenchy on Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:54 pm

"blindly" following Val?
ok

Also any reasoning for why I'm sneaking up on your scumreads Yves? Is it cuz I was believing Val because if so that makes little sense since you totally bought it too

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Givenchy on Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:56 pm

Its too late for a massclaim today in my opinion, we might wanna save it for LYLO even idk~

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Jimmy Choo on Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:36 pm

Mass claims never work out well
Save it for a time when it is needed. Best plan right now is to read through thread and lynch on the content we have instead of getting pressured into something that will just cause bad repurcutions in the future.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Prada on Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:46 pm

unvote

Some of Burberry's posts were strange, but my vote was also partly based on Valentino's claim.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Prada on Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:49 pm

I will be interested to see if there is a kill tonight though and whether or not the mafia can only kill on even nights like Burberry suggested.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Marchesa on Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:49 pm

Gucci wins best play.

This changes everything honestly, need to re read a lot of the game. Leaning towards Prada atm

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Marchesa on Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:50 pm

Gucci wins best play.

This changes everything honestly, need to re read a lot of the game. Leaning towards Prada atm

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Armani on Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:23 pm

Just to clear it up incase it hasn't already been. I am a VT. I can't crumb anything. Jimmy is scum on play not by any results I didn't get.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Prada on Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:46 pm

Actually Jimmy does look scummy from Day 5. They vote Valentino as soon as Alex reveals his results, then backs off and votes me for "sheeping" or something.

Vote Jimmy Choo

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Zara on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:16 am

Okay, done waiting, I had hoped Burberry would say something, get us a little more information, plus I waited for a reason which I'll explained later on in this post, but I think it's time to prove why I said he fakeclaimed before.

In his post, Burberry claims 3-Shot CPR Doctor, and, due to his use of the words "Since I am now useless" and "(was)," a 3-Shot CPR Doctor with no shots left. The reason for having no shots being that N3, he successfully killed Fendi, N4, he unsuccessfully killed Prada, and N5, he successfully killed Vera. On Night 4, I roleblocked Burberry. But wait, since the kill failed, that would make sense, right?

Wrong. Here is were the contradiction comes in. In this game, if an action with a shot amount is roleblocked, then the action isn't used at all, and so a shot isn't consumed. This means that one shot would have been used N3, and another would have been used N5, but none would have been consumed night four. It could just be that Burberry didn't notice and hasn't had a chance to see that he has a shot left, except that in this game a player will also be told how many shots of an ability they have left after using a shot ability, thus preventing any confusion on Burberry's part.

This means that in order for Burberry to be telling the truth, on top of his action failing to kill the intended target while not being roleblocked, my action would have needed to fail to hit it's mark. Given simply that roles that would be needed in order for such an event to occur, it seems unlikely at best.  

Of course, the whole reasoning behind my action claim being a counter-claim to Burberry relies upon the fact that he claimed 3-Shot. Could it be that Burberry was simply using the gambit that Valentino claimed they were using? I personally think that this option is highly unlikely due to my waiting with no response from Burberry. If they were actually a Town CPR Doctor, then they would, upon being called out for lying in their claim, know immediately the only thing somebody could legitimately be able to call them out for lying about, and would likely remedy their statement immediately not only for more credibility, but also to possibly prevent another PR from being outed. As scum who made it all up however, they would have no idea what the counter-claim against them would be about, and so would most likely wait to hear the accusation before responding in any way.

So yeah, that's my proof that they lied in their claim, any questions, just ask, I accidentally deleted this post after typing it once before, and so this write-up I may have missed some things. Also, as a closing note, I am NOT the Town Roleblocker, and will not divulge my full role name or abilities at this point.

Vote: Burberry

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Prada on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:29 am

Unvote
Vote Burberry


Still think Jimmy is scummy looking though.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Bulgari on Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:41 am

Yves's last post on this page was trying so hard to look town.

@Zara: How are you aware of Burberry's targets on those nights, and how do you reconcile the fact that there's only been one kill each night of the game?

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Marchesa on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:24 am

I came here ready to declare Prada scum and Burberry town but then I came back to Zara's post. Waiting for Burberry's response.

Sidenote, if you think someone is fakeclaiming don't come up with outs for them

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Zara on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:29 am

@Bulgari, well, Burberry had this whole post where they claimed their role and who they targeted on what nights, so that's where I got who they "went on" each night. I personally think they're lying scum, hence making the post, and didn't go on any of those people as a CPR Doctor, meaning that there's no need to reconcile anything, one mafia, one kill per night, 1+1=2, not that hard to figure out.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Bulgari on Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:39 am

Except there was a kill N4 when you claim to have stopped his kill.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Prada on Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:49 am

Burberry claimed to be killing me though which means someone besides him killed (i.e. the mafia).

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Zara on Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:01 am

I'm pretty sure we're playing with the standard forum mafia role block rules, in which case a role block only stops the mafia kill if the mafia member selected to make the kill is the same one who is distracted. So, that is to say, I think the night four kill was made by a mafia member other then Burberry. I presumably stopped some action he made that night, hence his inclusion of his night four action failing, but he overlooked the mechanics of how shot type roles work in this game while trying to make his claim harder to disprove.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Burberry on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:06 pm

The new posts didn't load for me until now, so I missed this.

Whenever I submitted a shot to Lucifer I got the message afterwards that my action was received. A couple of days later, presumably at the end of the night, I was informed I had x shots left. In the case on the night I aimed for Prada, Lucifer told me I had 1 shot left. So I'm not seeing any evidence at all that I was roleblocked. Question though: where did you find that stopping an action prevents the shot from being used up? I know that's how it happens server-side but I couldn't find any evidence as to what the case was here.

Finally I see no reason why a Town 3-Shot CPR Doctor should scramble to try to change their claim if their claim was true in the first place, and town has no reason to lie. Besides, given the nature of this post I was thinking more along the lines of you claiming you had a investigative role and knew my role name (in which case, you'd see that I was telling the truth anyways).

Besides, I don't know how you'd reconcile the fact that I have a separate kill while also being on the side of the mafia faction when there's been an average of 1 kill per night.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Prada on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:42 pm

Burberry wrote:Finally I see no reason why a Town 3-Shot CPR Doctor should scramble to try to change their claim if their claim was true in the first place, and town has no reason to lie.

This doesn't back up your claim at all because we don't know if you are town, and mafia does have a reason to lie.

Burberry wrote:Besides, I don't know how you'd reconcile the fact that I have a separate kill while also being on the side of the mafia faction when there's been an average of 1 kill per night.

If you are "on the side of the mafia faction", the kills you claim to have made could just be the regular mafia kills.

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Marchesa on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:57 pm

Burberry wrote:Question though: where did you find that stopping an action prevents the shot from being used up? I know that's how it happens server-side but I couldn't find any evidence as to what the case was here.

This is the only pertinent part of that post. Lucifer are you able to answer this?

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Re: FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 6 - Sun. Mar. 9 @ 2:00 EST

Post by Lucifer on Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:28 pm

Players with shot-based actions will be notified of how many shots they have left at the end of the phase.

If a shot-based action's user is prevented from having their action go through, their shot will not be used. This applies, for example, to roleblock-type actions on the user but not rolestop-type actions on the target.

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