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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Days 1, 2, 3.1

Reads part 3 (I originally had everyone in this post as either scum or null/slight scum lol. Obviously, I decided to scale that back a little)

Louis Vuitton- Leaning scum. Every post of his seems to be fence sitting or wishy-washy. He's really vague about his votes and motives- doesn't really give any reasoning for suspecting Miu, says Ray ban is his top scumread at one point despite saying nothing about him beyond that he's under the radar and not posting.

Marchesa- Null? An iso showed that they can provide some decent reasoning, but the majority of their posts are fluff, and though they've said a handful of good things, they haven't actually been scumhunting (I mean they haven't placed a vote or anything!)

Miu Miu- Scum. Do I have to post more about Miu? I swear I've posted enough, but w/e. Early-game fits the cautious scum archetype perfectly, took a lot of pressure to do any scumhunting, and even that wasn't very good.

Prada- Null/Slight scum. They haven't posted much, but the way they've approached the game has been extremely lazy and apathetic.

Ray-Ban- Null. They simply haven't posted enough, though it isn't really cool how they've barely commented on the game despite some pressure and now they're wagoning without any kind of commentary or reasoning (something they called Prada out on I noticed). Still, not yet enough.

Tiffany- Leaning scum. Lot of fluff posting and not a lot of scumhunting. Seems willing to agree with anyone over most things- Basically the only thing they've taken any kind of stand on is this Bulgari vote, which has seen some pretty poor reasoning, and in her more recent posts seems to be twisting words or interpreting them falsely.

Since I'm seeing an emerging trend in my reads list (a relatively high number of people who I'm tempted to read as scum), I kinda want to undo my read on Jimmy Choo, as I'm going to end up with plenty of scumreads, and I'll admit there's a decent possibility that he isn't scum due to a viable alternative explanation.

Though his play does have its share of oddities, an alternative explanation is that he is newbie town who is trying but isn't really sure how to go about it, an explanation which does fit with the 2 oddities in his play, namely the discussion of scum tactics in place of scumhunting and the reasoning on Bulgari, part of which was a huge stretch.
by Dior
on Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:08 am
 
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Tiffany, I understand perfectly well what a question mark does and how it can potentially impact the tone of a post, please don't suggest otherwise. You're attempting to extract tone from a single word. Not even a full sentence, a single word, with only the preceding quote to give context and help determine tone (Hint: it doesn't to any substantial degree). Do you not see how this is a stretch?
by Dior
on Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:18 am
 
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More reads

Fendi- Yeah his earlier posts and pushing Tiffany over that 3rd person business were shitty and looked scummy to me, his recent posts are much improved in terms of content, but he's really only targeted Miu and Vera, and his line of thought does still seem to follow other players. Looking for him to start commenting on other players, until then slight scum.

Givenchy- Null, inactive.

Gucci- Null, inactive.

Hermes- hmm interesting. Possible points against them are the way they overreacted imo to that Valentino post and Versace's joke (that's not claiming scum). Also, that really emotional reaction to Valentino earlier was strange. However, this does not seem too bad to me as overall they've resembled an aggressive town- very active, looking for scum all that. Too early for a proper read on the sub. Overall town though

Jimmy Choo- Obviously new, his very first substantial post reveals that by thinking to just leap straight out of RVS like that. Until he started pushing Bulgari, he was spending all of his time talking about scum tactics and how he's trying to spark discussion rather than actually scumhunting. Then the vote on Bulgari... there are some legit points there, namely avoiding giving any justification for a vote, but the rest of your reasoning is just poor, I mean getting hung up on a question mark is just dumb, and you can say that it suggests developing a read before finding the reasoning for it, which is scummy. So yeah, leaning scum.

Kate Spade- Null inactive. Meta is always pretty shaky reasoning in anon imo though.
by Dior
on Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:42 am
 
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Page 18

As far as I can see the question mark is totally irrelevant, there's no difference either way. I agree with 1 and 4 since they fall under the point of avoiding giving reasoning for a vote. 2 applies to half the game and 3 I don't see it, if that's an attack, that's the most halfhearted attack I've ever seen- it's literally just one idle comment.

@Versace, when did I condone hypocrisy?
Oh right, that Chanel read. I thought that wanting to read through the thread before making a vote was an adequate reason for not voting, depending on what they eventually did with it obviously. Also, I said that that gave me a null read, not that it was good.

About that Orth in vanilla comparison. The main reason I look at Fendi's TL;DR as possible scum overcompensation is that when I read through it I thought most of the points were rehashed, whereas Orth focussed on digging up new points, even if some of them were a bit of a stretch (and one of them was simply unhelpful. Also that kind of post is well within Orth's meta).

That said, Fendi did bring some new and interesting points to the table, so like I said, there's that, which is definitely in his favour. I think the main thing now to determine how to interpret that post one way or the other is to have Fendi start commenting on the other players in the game to get a better idea where he stands
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on Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:10 am
 
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Vera cut it out and provide some actual reasoning pls
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:53 pm
 
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Ok, can you give a better explanation? Because right now you haven't given us any reason to not lynch her
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:41 pm
 
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Page 17, reads can come once I've caught up

Tiffany wrote:Dior, what do you mean that Tiffany is flopping back onto Miu?

I meant that you've gone from stating that Miu has made a number of foolish posts to stating that there's just one bad post

Prada had continued to carelessly toss their vote around well after RVS ended. Also saying that someone would intentionally or non-intentionally make a bad post doesn't make sense, since generally no-one intends to do that. You'll have to clarify the distinction between Prada and Miu more, because atm it's not making any sense.

Would still like some thoughts from Ray-Ban

After that TL;DR I have a guess in mind for Hermes' identity (both new and old). That said, I couldn't do it, totally tuned out of that TL;DR (it was too rambly).
An idle comment on their thoughts on Armani- to me, the pressure from Chanel demanded that they defend themselves like that. That said, the fact they've still done nothing for town, only really posting to defend themselves isn't all that great.
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:24 pm
 
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What, deadline is in like 2 days.

God damn it Hermes that's just so painful to read, TL;DR plus super rambling. I will read through and respond to stuff and do more reads.
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:55 pm
 
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Tiffany you're weird.

That first post of yours on page 16, the comments comparing Miu and Prada come across as very wishy-washy. You're really not making any point here, and Miu is right to attack you accordingly.

lol Miu, have you not been paying attention to the development of the wagon against you at all? Almost all of your early game posting resembled cautious scum. If you think you've only made one dodgy post, you might want to reread some things. Otherwise stop misrepping.

Tiffany what. Do you understand why we're all pushing Miu? The fact that you've made that previous vague post and are now flopping back on Miu isn't looking great
Tiffany wrote: However, Tiffany would rather vote Miu Miu instead of Prada, as Prada is possibly inactive while Miu Miu is actually has definite foolish posts.

Tiffany wrote:
Tiffany concedes with your point. However, your one 'foolish' post is still more than prada's 0 foolish posts. We shall wait and see. Tiffany does not wish to lynch either of you yet but the others certainly want to!

Yeah, that pretty inconsistent. Also how on earth does Prada not have any foolish posts? they've had like one decent post (and even that was picking on a fairly easy target). Otherwise, they've been flinging their vote about for practically no reason and just generally shown an apathy towards scumhunting.

Kate Spade, you better elaborate on that vote, vague comments about meta aren't really going to cut it (especially in an anon game)

It's kind of tough to give fendi a lot of towncred for that TL;DR, given that a lot of the points aren't that new, and it's really strange to throw in a TL;DR like that on a wagon that is already pretty well-developed (Potentially scum overcompensating to look town, but we'll have to do a bit more digging to decide one way or the other)
That said he did pick up on a couple of interesting details (inconsistency with lax approach (though if it were town admitting they were wrong and adjusting accordingly I imagine it would look similar) and getting all emotional over the arguments them, since that's an easy way to make an argument appear weaker without actually touching it), so there's that.
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:01 am
 
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It's gut, there really isn't an explanation (unrelated, I think I might've just guessed Valentino's identity I'm probably wrong) and it certainly doesn't help that she hasn't done that much in the past page or two (so I don't really have much fresh in my memory). She's one of the players that I really need to look into more because I simply haven't got a good read on them. I intend to do this when I go through the rest of my reads (which will hopefully happen tomorrow, since I'm not working or anything)
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:48 am
 
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lol referring to yourself in 3rd person is classy ok
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:29 am
 
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Um, sure, who are your top lynch candidates atm?
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:24 am
 
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The defining thing about Burberry is that though they're perhaps not as active as others or as aggressive, they're doing a really good job at analysing posts and working to bring solid points to the table. All in all, I'd describe their play as conservative town- they're not letting their analyses get influenced by emerging wagons or trends.
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:19 am
 
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Also well done to Fendi for a truly impressive TL;DR, that enormous length is unlikely to be surpassed for most or all of the game. I still haven't read it yet obv.
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:02 am
 
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Just town or scum, no other options?

Hermes-town (They've read to me as reckless/aggressive town)

Tiffany-scum (A lot of fluff posting plus not a lot of content. Dodgy call of fence-sitting, and calling Bulgari out on the delayed explanation, though a fair point does also seem hypocritical, looking back)

Valentino-town (This is pretty much a gut read atm, need to look through)

Vivienne-town (This is only because you're making me choose scum/town, otherwise super null. I think I might have shared my read on vivienne before, which was basically null, but I need to look again)
by Dior
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How much have you read through so far?
by Dior
on Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:52 am
 
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Reads, woo. Or only some of them. Whatever.

Alexander McQueen- Null, they haven't really done much. Seriously, about half of their posts are talking about potential post restrictions on Tiffany and Viv.

Armani- All he's done is defend himself, beyond that too inactive for any real read. Null. The first part of that post Chanel pressured him over had a good point, but then they went the other way and suggested we wait which isn't cool. Still, that's not enough at all to form a read.

Bulgari- Hmm, that initial vote on Tiffany wasn't great, since I don't agree there's enough to jump to that conclusion, and if you're pressuring them, why would you not give them something to respond to? The delayed explanation for the vote isn't so great either.

I'll check Tiffany's recent posts in relation to the point you raise about parroting when I get around to her. Also I don't think it's accurate to say that the second post you linked is asserting post length as a basis for a vote. I will say though, I don't think Tiffany ever gave a legit reason for the Hermes vote, and if she did, she certainly delayed giving it, which is interesting, since that's the basis for any issue one might have with Bulgari. Read is Null, maybe slight scum, there's not a lot to go off.

Burberry- Town. A quick iso didn't turn up anything, and I'm getting a serious town vibe anyway.

Chanel- Not much that's scummy here. Main things that stand out are calling out Miu for not laying down a vote then doing likewise, and boring into Armani. I'm not thinking much of the former, and the latter simply appears to be a solid attempt to pressure an inactive player into posting which kind of worked (Since Armani responded but is inactive again). Nothing much to say, not getting a strong gut read either way. I'll take null-slight town.

Yeah, I'll do the rest later, this game is freaking intense with the volume of stuff.

@Hermes, since I'm on yeah might as well
by Dior
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Yeah I might do a full reads list later on, sort this shit out and hopefully iron out any internal inconsistencies I might have

Also what, Hermes replaced? This will be interesting.
by Dior
on Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:42 pm
 
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Ok, now I'd just like to unsay most of what I said last night because wow I'm retarded I completely missed the point of those posts.

For some reason I got caught up on those "Hermes wagon is garbage comments" and overlooked the deal with the Tiffany vote. That makes 2/3 of your posts solid (I still think calling that fence-sitting is lousy) and yeah I actually do see what you're getting at this time, including with what you said just then about the OMGUS.

Also maybe calling Fendi, Louis and Prada lynch candidates was going a bit far- they're solid scumreads in my eyes, but it's dubious whether we have enough evidence yet to justify lynching them. lol at Prada being strong town. Of those 3 I just mentioned, she's the one I feel is worst, just generally making no effort to scumhunt and demonstrating total apathy to where their vote is placed and why.

This is what playing at midnight when you're tired af gets you.

@Jimmy: lol what difference does a question mark make? Asking someone to explain does not constitute an attack at all, there's no indication that they're attempting to shift any kind of suspicion onto Prada.

Also I'm not implying anything, I'm merely highlighting what I considered to be fallacious assumptions (moreso that scum would be more cautious than otherwise due to unfamiliarity with the setup). There's no reason why scum from the previous POAM can't be scum here, and I don't see why they'd be unusually cautious- just because we don't know who's who and hence can't refer to meta, doesn't mean that the game is somehow fundamentally different.
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on Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:41 pm
 
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Page 14 I'm back bitches. Spoiler tags because this might be a bit TL;DR
Spoiler:


I'm quite confident at least one of Tiffany or Jimmy is scum (maybe both, but I'm not sure), need to make up my mind on things.

Until I sort that out, I'd be happy with lynches on Miu, Prada, Louis or Fendi.

PS: I'd be surprised if half the game doesn't already know my PO identity yet
by Dior
on Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:03 am
 
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I was gonna do this page, but I've got to eat, bye for now
by Dior
on Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:04 am
 
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lol yeah I haven't read this page yet, I was just going through each page one by one and typing things I noticed as I go along. I'll come back to discussing that Jimmy post

Page 13

wtf Fendi, annoying =/= scum

Not sure I'm cool with that second paragraph in Louis' post where he comments on no-one giving off scum vibes and thinking Miu is merely new. Seems pretty hedgy to me.

Ray's post is really shallow. I mean it's good to get some content from him, but that's still not a whole load

Agreeing with Prada's take on Fendi's unvote, especially since the notion of a post restriction should've been obvious and it had already been mentioned several times.

It's nice to see Prada is using her vote well and going to lengths to hunt scum- "Honestly I was just bored with the Dior vote" lol ok
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on Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:52 am
 
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Tiffany wrote:What does Dior think about Vivienne? Tiffany would like to know. Has she given any town or scum vibe, or possible just null?


I'm kind of uncomfortable with the way they immediately jumped to the idea that I was aiming to Beiste in order to appear town. But that isn't enough to sway me one way or the other (especially since it was RVS), and apart from that, there isn't much to note. Their reads are fine, but on the other hand I'm not really getting a town vibe either. Null

Also (still page 12), I don't see what Jimmy's getting at with the read on Bulgari, since she did explain why she thought the wagon was garbage, even if it did require Valentino prodding her to do so. Also, his reply to Marchesa is based entirely on assumptions, ones which I don't see as being that solid
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on Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:28 am
 
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Also this entire page (almost) is pretty much Tiffany and Marchesa fluff-posting and me quintuple-posting (heheheh).
More content pls, especially Tiffany.

Ray-Ban thoughts on the game so far?
by Dior
on Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:01 am
 
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Page 11
I'm finding it kind of weird how Chanel is tunnelling Armani over that one post, maybe scummy, depends on what Chanel does next. Chanel, what are your thoughts on Armani now that he's responded to your questioning?

I was getting a Meepsy vibe from Versace before. Not interested in meta speculation because that's so unreliable in this format, but I want to call it now for when identities are revealed after the game. Also, unless Seb's changed the rules from set 1, you're allowed to speculate on identities but not reveal your own

Disagree with Miu that effort does not correlate to towniness, being proactive and aggressive in scumhunting is towny behaviour (Though ofc scum are able to post in such a way as well, it all depends on context obviously). Also noticed that they're not producing any of their own points, just agreeing with others. Agreeing with people would be fine, but you've got to produce your own content as well.

Marchesa's post doesn't have that much content, which is fine if you're trying to catch up on the game, but on the following page it's used as an excuse to get out of providing more content in response to Tiffany.

Lol@ Hermes. I'm really tired now so I'm not sure what to make of this, hopefully I'll be able to get around to properly reviewing their posts.
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