FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

@Clarifying- I went back and checked (I didn't hold much stock in the limitations because I already knew I couldn't use my shot again), and it did say expressly D3 but reading is tech.

chanel what is your full role name? you still havent answered that question.

That means there would have had to be another form of protection to prevent the kill on Prada.

So 2 questions I want everyone to answer:

Who do think is scum?
Who do you think is the best lynch for today?

@ Lucifer, is deadline Friday or Saturday

Marchesa wrote:@ Lucifer, is deadline Friday or Saturday

It was moved to Saturday; I forgot to change the title.

Bulgari is being prodded. One more prod and I may replace or simply modkill if necessary.

Burberry wrote:I am not totally townreading Givenchy though because her claim is weird to me.

How does her claim not clean her? Having a pair of unrequited lovers makes no sense, there must be at least one more, nobody has counter claimed so Givenchy is 100% clean

Marchesa wrote:That means there would have had to be another form of protection to prevent the kill on Prada.

So 2 questions I want everyone to answer:

Who do think is scum?
Who do you think is the best lynch for today?

Maybe Prada is one-shot self protect or something?

I would think one of Armani and Burberry. Maybe even both if they attempt to bus.

Not sure who is the better option. Someone could have fake claimed CPR doctor and frame the ones who got role-blocked. But also someone could have fake claim being vanillaised because the Seraph Knight ability cannot be role-blocked. (Or can it?)

[size=12.727272033691406]Louis verified that he vanillaised Armani.[/size]


[size=12.727272033691406]For Burberry's claim to be true, they either have a form of protection that is not Armani or Prada's JOAT has to have prevented her kill somehow.[/size]


[size=12.727272033691406]If Armani does flip Mafia Seraph Knight then that would clean Burberry as that is town's only killing role.[/size]


So in regards to Armani and Burberry there are a few possibilities

Armani is telling the truth, Burberry is scum
Armani is Mafia Seraph Knight, Burberry is clean
Armani is some other mafia role, Burberry is scum
Armani is some other mafia role, mafia have another form of protection, Burberry is telling the truth

I want to hear from Burberry and Givenchy in regards to the new info about the nature of a serpah knights protection. 

Burberry has been in the game since the start and Givenchy subbed in a lot earlier than I did so they might think of possibilities I haven't or might be able to tell me if I am wrong on anything. Givenchy in particular I want to hear from

As a product of my sheer boredom and my frustration with how slow this game is moving I've decided to do this pretty little VCA, whether it will be useful i don't know, once we get a couple more flips it could be helpful.



Day 1


Miu Miu (13) - Burberry, Vivienne Westwood, Dior, Valentino, Chanel, Kate Spade, Ray-Ban, Alexander McQueen, Tiffany, Louis Vuitton, Fendi, Bulgari, Marchesa
Louis Vuitton (3) - Gucci, Versace
Hermès (2) - Prada, Yves Saint Laurent
Armani (2) - Jimmy Choo, Hermès
Kate Spade (1) - Givenchy
Tiffany (1) - Miu Miu
Valentino (1) - Armani


Not Voting (2) - Vera Wang, Zara



Day 2


Louis Vuitton ( - Hermès, Versace, Burberry, Ray-Ban, Givenchy, Vera Wang, Jimmy Choo
Ray-Ban (5) - Bulgari, Chanel, Tiffany, Prada, Louis Vuitton
Tiffany (4) - Alexander McQueen, Fendi, Kate Spade, Valentino
Jimmy Choo (1) - Yves Saint Laurent


Not Voting (5) - Armani, Gucci, Marchesa, Vivienne Westwood, Zara



Day 3


Louis Vuitton (10) - Versace, Vera Wang, Yves Saint Laurent, Jimmy Choo, Prada, Burberry, Fendi, Valentino, Ray-Ban
Jimmy Choo (1) - Armani
Ray-Ban (1) - Louis Vuitton
Valentino (1) - Givenchy


Not Voting (7) - Alexander McQueen, Bulgari, Chanel, Gucci, Marchesa, Vivienne Westwood, Zara



Day 4


Ray-Ban (9) - Givenchy, Burberry, Chanel, Vivienne Westwood, Valentino, Alexander McQueen, Prada, Bulgari, Yves Saint Laurent
Prada (3) - Versace, Ray-Ban
Burberry (2) - Gucci, Vera Wang
Alexander McQueen (1) - Jimmy Choo
Jimmy Choo (1) - Armani


Not Voting (2) - Marchesa, Zara

Day 5

Alexander McQueen ( - Valentino, Yves Saint Laurent, Armani, Burberry, Bulgari, Chanel, Givenchy, Jimmy Choo
Valentino (3) - Prada, Vivienne Westwood, Gucci
Burberry (1) - Alexander McQueen

Not Voting (3) - Marchesa, Vera Wang, Zara


Day 6



Burberry (3) - Givenchy, Zara, Prada
Prada (3) - Jimmy Choo, Burberry, Yves Saint Laurent
Yves Saint Laurent (1) - Bulgari

Not Voting (4) - Armani, Chanel, Marchesa, Vivienne Westwood



Day 7



Prada (6) - Yves Saint Laurent, Givenchy, Burberry, Armani, Zara, Bulgari
Burberry (1) - Prada

Not Voting (3) - Chanel, Marchesa, Vivienne Westwood

I used my ability on Hermes. I believe that question was asked.

I would like to point out that Burberry just made their first case after they were a likely quick lynch. They pointed out my case on Jimmy but yet I never voted them. That is entirely false. I voted them originally then found it was useless to pursue that lynch at that time but made sure to remind everyone of my scum read on them. I made my case before the end of a day to try and get people to take the night time to look over it and see what I was talking about. There were also some other people whom agreed with some of what I was saying thinking that Jimmy was scum.

I know this is WIFOMy but why would I kill a person whom I have been trying to get lynched since I replaced into the game? That makes little to no sense.

Also, I am no longer V/LA. If there is anything I can answer for you all let me know.

Burberry is for sure scum.

Also, a Seraph Knight isn't that strong when you think about it. I have to choose someone at random. It could be town or scum but as long as I am not redirected or blocked they are protected from being killed using a killing command. They would still die if lover and their lover died. This means I could literally protect the mafia from being killed by a vigilante if there were one. Finally, it is a compulsive ability so I have to use it Night 1 where the is little to no information.

@-Armani,

Who do you think are the other 2 scum? If you need to provided us a "2 of the following" list that's fine, just try to put them in some sort of priority order.

I'm leaning towards a Bulgari lynch at the moment pending further discussion on Burberry's ability as the situation is pretty complicated. I think Bulgari is a safe option.

The best bet is to lynch between me and Burberry. While it is risky it is our highest chance of hitting scum.

Notice how your situations didn't have a single one that said we were both town. Lynching outside of me and Burberry it too much of a risk.

Out of these 4.

Yves
Chanel
Bulgari
Givenchy

no armani it isnt best to lynch between you two, because there we have a 50% chance of lynching scum, whereas we have a 66% chance of lynching scum out of the other people, because im cop cleaned, and givenchy cant be scum. you didnt mention viv in your list, do you think she isnt scum, or did you just forget? if the former is your answer, why? also do you townread marchesa, because you didnt mention her either.

so its one of armani/burberry and two of chanel/bulgari/vivienne. im leaning on burberry and viv as town, but the thing lucifer said about the modkill almost made me rethink it. because it would have a significant impact on the game if bulgari was modkilled as scum whereas it wouldnt be as significant as if they were modkilled as town.

The reason I think you might be scum is because you think Burberry is town.

I did those off of vote analysis. I haven't payed much attention to the game. I am here now because we have an actual chance at winning this now.

Also, please show me the towniness of Burberry when you have a chance.

Finally I like Marchesa's posts today and they give me a good vibe so they are in my town pile for now.

Yves Saint Laurent wrote:im leaning on burberry and viv as town, but the thing lucifer said about the modkill almost made me rethink it. because it would have a significant impact on the game if bulgari was modkilled as scum whereas it wouldnt be as significant as if they were modkilled as town.

I have some thoughts on this but we probably shouldn't be analysing mod threats

Prod dodging, will read more later.

Armani wrote:I would like to point out that Burberry just made their first case after they were a likely quick lynch.  They pointed out my case on Jimmy but yet I never voted them.  That is entirely false.  I voted them originally then found it was useless to pursue that lynch at that time but made sure to remind everyone of my scum read on them.  I made my case before the end of a day to try and get people to take the night time to look over it and see what I was talking about.  There were also some other people whom agreed with some of what I was saying thinking that Jimmy was scum.

Look, here's your vote on them Day 5! Notice how before this there has been absolutely no preface explaining this, and on Day 6 you didn't make a case on him at all until the end, and didn't even vote him that day either. Link me if I'm wrong, I probably got lost in the dozen posts of you saying Jimmy is scum and backing it up with nothing but that one post (which had dubious logic anyways).

Armani wrote:Also, a Seraph Knight isn't that strong when you think about it.  I have to choose someone at random.  It could be town or scum but as long as I am not redirected or blocked they are protected from being killed using a killing command.  They would still die if lover and their lover died.  This means I could literally protect the mafia from being killed by a vigilante if there were one.  Finally, it is a compulsive ability so I have to use it Night 1 where the is little to no information.

I don't believe any of the Armanis mentioned this ability was compulsive (if I did, show me it).

On the new Seraph Knight info: Prada's passive jack-of-all-trades role is very likely to have protected her, since no one would have targeted her for a nightkill because she was on the scumteam.

Back to Armani: his list and his subsequent response to Yves is terrible. He is mildly scumreading her for thinking I am town; that is a terrible reason already. I'm not understanding how you could pull Givenchy as scum from votecount analysis because she's had her vote on Valentino quite a bit and the other votes were on the major wagons (not jumping around a lot). If you're going to say that just because she had her vote on Val doesn't mean she's town then I'd really like to see this logic of yours placing scumreads on people just by votecount analysis.

You're going to ask people why I'm town? The burden of proof is on you to find why I'm scummy, not lynch people who just don't look town to you.

I've had further thoughts on Burb, but I haven't really had time to post.

I actually hadn't considered the possibility that mafia tried to kill me, which could explain why there was only one kill night 5. Furthermore, the kill failing on Prada is most likely due to her role as "passive" JOAT.

Passive implies that none of her actions could have been actively used, but rather simply occured when she was target. Hence, I believe Prada not dying to Burb's CPR shot could be the result of a bulletproof or the like.

However, as I was reading through to clarify this action stuff I stumbled across this: https://koalas.forumotion.com/t8p100-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-6-sun-mar-9-200-est#1621 I came to a realization that it is much more likely Burb's action failed due to a passive rolestop that Prada had. Since rolestop has a higher priority than jailkeep, Burb would have lost a shot.

Since both the night 4 and 5 results can be explained much more easily than I previously thought, I am now reconsidering my thoughts on Burb. I'm not completely convinced that they're town, but I am inclined to think so now~

My number 1 lynch is Armani, followed by Bulgari. Still not sure who the final scum is but they're likely between Vivienne/Chanel/Burb, although I'm not completely sure Marchesa and Yves are clean~

Burberry, since I KNOW you are scum of course I am going to be suspicious of anyone who town reads you. All the people on my list that defend you are suspicious. Also, I made my claim myself and I didn't see any of my past self claim. The fact I didn't say it was compulsive means jack shit.

Givenchy/Burberry/Yves scum team. I am calling it now.

I am confident at least 2 of those are right and I know Burberry is scum.

Yves and I already established that Givenchy's claim makes them 100% clean. The fact that you're just calling everyone who wants your lynch scum plus the flip flop on me shows are caught scum flailing.

I was still tentative until now but Armani should definitely be our lynch today.

Bulgari and Chanel are probably the last 2. I don't believe Chanel at all when they say that missed their dayvig being restricted to day 3 in their role pm. These roles have no flavour outside the aliases and everything is plainly stated.

The fact that you're scumreading the cleanest player in the game (Yves) and one of the most pro-town (myself) just reinforces my confidence that an Armani lynch is the best today.

All in favor say aye.

Although I wouldn't even say that I'm 100% clean, paranoia's sinking in but I feel like Marchesa might be buddying

Aye. 

@ Bulgari and Chanel, I'm not letting phase end without some actual content posts from you, no more active lurking. You're going to state who you intend to lynch and build a case on them

Armani wrote:
Finally, it is a compulsive ability so I have to use it Night 1 where the is little to no information.

Does this mean you are restricted to use it night 1?

Marchesa wrote:
I'm leaning towards a Bulgari lynch at the moment pending further discussion on Burberry's ability as the situation is pretty complicated. I think Bulgari is a safe option.

Why Bulgari? I don't think I have seen a case on him.

They've been active lurking all game. Armani's post above fully swung me to lynching him instead though