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FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Also to all the town players:

Remember that hypothetically, if scum is not on the wagon at all, all of town needs to be on the same wagon.

Also remember that only 2 town members voting someone are enough for the 4 scum to join a wagon and force a mislynch.

Myself, Marchesa, and Yves (who I consider to be the three cleanest players) have all expressed absolute willingness to lynch Armani.

That alone should be enough for you to join your vote with ours, but if its not, hopefully the tldr above is~

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Why Armani is the best lynch for today:

Let’s take a look at his contributions~

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Day 1 he spent most of the day making a fuss out of this post here:

https://koalas.forumotion.com/t2p50-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-days-1-2-31#67

Early bussing is certainly possible, he really focused on a single post in RVS too much for my liking. Other than that he didn’t contribute much.

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Day 2:

Inactive, replacement happened.

Also noteworthy: Louie claimed, and said that he vanillaized Armani. Everyone was asking Armani to confirm/deny it, and here’s what he said:

[quote=”Armani”] fuck you all, I'll read during the night.[/quote]

Note that it would not be in scum’s interest to confirm such a claim at this point, since scum is trying to force a mislynch. Stay tuned!

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Days 3-5:

First of all, there’s this claim:

https://koalas.forumotion.com/t5p125-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-32-39#1151

I’ll note, as Jimmy did, that Armani confirms Louie’s claim but then implies it might just be because of his role, and that we should still lynch Louie anyways. I repeat: it is in scum’s interest to force mislynches and so this post is entirely scum motivated and not at all town motivated.

Jimmy says that this post “reeks of scum” and Armani responds with:

https://koalas.forumotion.com/t5p125-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-32-39#1168

Pretty much the definition of OMGUS. Note that he provides no actual reasoning for why Jimmy is scum here. After Jimmy elaborates as to why Armani’s “reeks of scum” post was scummy, Armani fails to address it. And yet he continues to tunnel Jimmy the next day.

https://koalas.forumotion.com/t6p50-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-4#1284

Still with no reasoning.

In fact, let’s take a look at all the posts in which Armani attempts to get people to join his “choo choo train” to see if any reasoning is ever provided.

https://koalas.forumotion.com/t6p75-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-4#1308
https://koalas.forumotion.com/t6p100-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-4#1340
https://koalas.forumotion.com/t7-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-5#1361

Yeah, no reasoning~

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Also day 5:

At this moment in time, people were pretty much split between the Valentino and Alex bandwagons. For those not caught up on the game, we ended up lynching Alex, who flipped town cop, whereas Val flipped mafia. Following these flips it is logical to suspect the Val wagon was scum driven. That being said let’s see which side Armani landed on:

https://koalas.forumotion.com/t7p25-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-5#1407

Surprise surprise, he was voting Alex. And with literally no reasoning. Yeah, this is really bad.

~Side note~ There was this whole bit about Armani lecturing Alex for fakeclaiming: https://koalas.forumotion.com/t7p100-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-5#1483 I still don’t know what to make of this, and Armani if you see this, why did you think Alex was fakeclaiming?

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Day 6:

The most significant post here is him making his case against Jimmy.

https://koalas.forumotion.com/t8p150-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-6-sun-mar-9-200-est#1660

I want to break it down a little bit, without quoting the whole thing.

The first point Armani brings up is not at all strong, it would take too much to explain it fully but essentially he makes a point against something Jimmy himself called “Just speculation though really”.

Secondly, Armani calls Jimmy out for flip flopping his opinion on Burberry, when Jimmy did not in fact flip flop. This just goes to show how little Armani was actually reading and paying attention to Jimmy, evidence of a contrived scumread.

Thirdly, Armani calls Jimmy out for attempting to start a discussion on scum tactics early on in the game. While I don’t think such a discussion is actually fruitful, Jimmy’s attempt seemed pretty town-motivated to me. But what bothers me the most about this point is that Armani adamantly refused to read days 1 and 2. The fact that he dug back into Jimmy’s ISO to find this point against him just goes to show how forced his read of Jimmy was. Like Armani “thought” Jimmy was scum without reading days 1 and 2, but in order to prove why he thinks Jimmy is scum he has to dig back into Jimmy’s ISO into a part of the game he hasn’t even read? Yeah not buying it~

Same goes for the next point, where Armani also strawman’s Jimmy pretty badly. Armani points to another (I think Day 1) early post by Jimmy, where Jimmy is calling someone out for not providing reasoning for a vote, and says Jimmy is trying to take away town’s weapon, which is the vote, entirely. Complete misrep.

Finally, Armani argues that Jimmy should have pushed for a lynch on Yves. I’m not sure I agree with this point and regardless, it really isn’t a strong one.

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So yeah, that’s the entirety of Armani’s case against Jimmy. There’s a lot that bothers me about it, but what bothers me the most is that Jimmy at this point was cop cleaned. Taking that into consideration, and the evidence Armani provided, there is not nearly enough for a town player to believe that a cop cleaned player is scum. Thus, this case is not at all town motivated but rather entirely scum motivated.

Also this case is not even accompanied by a vote, which is weird especially when he calls the vote the town’s weapon… Trying to seem town while not actually being town.

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And then there’s everything else today that I and others have already called him on, not the least of which is him putting two of the cleanest players in the game on his scum list.

Sorrynotsorry for the tldr; this lynch really needs to happen so I hope this helps town players not caring enough to read up and shit.

vote Armani

Lets get this party started.

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Chanel that is not helpful in the slightest, give us your scum reads please~

This Armani lynch needs to happen. I'm currently working on the case against him. This game has gotten way too far away from ISOs, reads, flip and wagon analysis and the like so I'm hopefully going to bring it back to that a little bit with this post. Expect it from me in a bit~

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Good point on Chanel/Val~

Louie's vanilla on Ray failed because Zara roleblocked Louie.

Yves is cop cleaned, they can't be a scum neighbor unless they're godfather and we already saw a miller flip weaken our only good investigative role (cop) so I personally doubt this.

Vivienne what makes you think Burb and Armani are both scum? And don't say "they could be bussing" that isn't an argument.

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Not to say that getting the night action stuff cleared up is not cool. But Viv seems to be using it to avoid giving content~

Also I'm not at all buying the whole "I'm contributing now cuz we actually have a shot at winning" act from Armani.

Our chance at winning is lower now at MYLO then it has been all game~

We can still pull it out but yeah I certainly wouldn't say we have a good shot atm

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

I'm really getting sick of the cutsie "I just subbed in I don't know what all has happened this game so I'm just going to ask questions the whole time" act from Viv~

Please contribute your own scumreads, even if they're limited.

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

The fact that you're scumreading the cleanest player in the game (Yves) and one of the most pro-town (myself) just reinforces my confidence that an Armani lynch is the best today.

All in favor say aye.

Although I wouldn't even say that I'm 100% clean, paranoia's sinking in but I feel like Marchesa might be buddying

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

I've had further thoughts on Burb, but I haven't really had time to post.

I actually hadn't considered the possibility that mafia tried to kill me, which could explain why there was only one kill night 5. Furthermore, the kill failing on Prada is most likely due to her role as "passive" JOAT.

Passive implies that none of her actions could have been actively used, but rather simply occured when she was target. Hence, I believe Prada not dying to Burb's CPR shot could be the result of a bulletproof or the like.

However, as I was reading through to clarify this action stuff I stumbled across this: https://koalas.forumotion.com/t8p100-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-day-6-sun-mar-9-200-est#1621 I came to a realization that it is much more likely Burb's action failed due to a passive rolestop that Prada had. Since rolestop has a higher priority than jailkeep, Burb would have lost a shot.

Since both the night 4 and 5 results can be explained much more easily than I previously thought, I am now reconsidering my thoughts on Burb. I'm not completely convinced that they're town, but I am inclined to think so now~

My number 1 lynch is Armani, followed by Bulgari. Still not sure who the final scum is but they're likely between Vivienne/Chanel/Burb, although I'm not completely sure Marchesa and Yves are clean~

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

@Lucifer I don't know if this was asked earlier but if an unrequited lover's partner is nightkilled, will they die as well despite being protected?

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

um no Louie vanillaised Armani since he was his top scumread. There was no redirection or anything going on idk what is making you guys think this.

https://koalas.forumotion.com/t2p900-fashionable-noc-anon-mafia-days-1-2-31#922

Thoughts on Burb coming when I have more time

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

I do think the Seraph Knight claim is somewhat questionable.

I don't think Lucifer would put it in with a Cop and have the game devolve into "follow the cop", which is why I suspect jailkeeper was town's protective role.

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

I still think Armani and Bulgari are the final scum, not ruling out the possibility that Viv or Chanel are though.

Still townreading Marchesa and Yves.

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Vivienne (and others):

If you all could post thoughts on the scumteam and who you think we should lynch today that would be dandy~

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

I think the obvious lynch for today is Burberry.

With Zara flipping town, we can now trust her results. For those who haven't been paying attention, Burb claimed to have used up all 3 of her shots here. However, Zara claimed that she was on Burb night 4, and the mod confirmed that if roleblocked, a shot wouldn't be used. Meaning Burb wouldn't actually be out of shots, meaning Burb claim was fake.

Now, lets deduce what must be true if Burb's claim is actually true.

Something must explain why there was only 1 kill both nights that Burb claimed her CPR kill succeeded (nights 3 and 5). The only reason the mafia kill would fail is if some town role prevented this, and the only claim we have that can prevent kills is Zara's jailkeep. [It is not possible for mafia to have targeted the same person as Burb due to the nature of the CPR Doctor role, unless there is a third party killer who has only sucessfully killed on nights 3 and 5. This possibility is so far out there for so many reasons I think we can rule it out.] Zara's roleblock stopping the mafia kill would mean that Armani sent in the mafia kill night 3, and I sent it in night 5 (since we were Zara's targets on the corresponding nights). Obviously I know this to be untrue since I know I am not mafia.

However, even if you believe the above to be possible, then in order for Burb to be town we also have to explain why Burb still lost a shot. This would mean that mafia has a higher priority redirect/roleblock/stop and this action was on Zara that night. While this is possible, nothing else in this game points to the existence of such a scum role. For example, why would mafia kill Zara (who I had listed on my scumreads) if they knew they had a failsafe way of controlling her action?

Other questionable points in Burb's claim and play this game:

~She claims to have killed Vera, who at the time was the only neighbor that we could consider cleaned by Alex, who had flipped town before Burb killed Vera.

~She was completely and 100% convinced that Val was town when in my opinion it made no sense from a town perspective for her to be.

tldr; Burb is by far our best lynch today.

I'm going to hold off on voting until we reach some sort of consensus though. Scum only needs 2 votes to hypothetically quicklynch so I advise town is very careful when voting.

Lets move fast though, don't want to not get a lynch today.

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 8 - Sat. Mar. 29 @ 16:00 EST - MYLO

Morning dearies~~~

So there are 5 town and 3 scum left. Once again I must emphasize that voting at this stage is crucial since otherwise we will simply lose our cleaned player (Yves) tonight and gain nothing.

Also once again town must (hypothetically) be perfectly united to get a lynch. Obviously scum can bus (they did yesterday, I'm sure of it). But we can't afford to split our votes.

My thoughts on who today's lynch target should be coming up in a bit.

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

I probably won't be around in 8 hours so here's my scumreads:

in order of level of confidence
-Prada (hi)
~Armani
~Bulgari
~Zara

Town (by level of confidence):
~Yves
~Marchesa

Leaning town on:
~Vivienne
~Chanel (not by play but because scum vig would be op)
~Burb

I'm most on the fence about Zara/Burb, pretty sure one of the two is scum and I'm really on the fence here. I'm leaning towards Zara being scum but I do feel the least confident in this scumread

Don't have time to elaborate more

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

I'm not tunneling, its a simply a result of town needing to be 100% coordinated to get a lynch.

Hypothetically if scum doesn't vote (which they probably aren't right now) every single town member needs to be on the exact same wagon~

I'll post my thoughts on the scumteam at the end of the day, HOPEFULLY when Prada's at L-1

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

Don't forget, your vt claim came at the beginning of the popcorn. You were probably thinking town members would claim it as well.

Armani, Bulgari, Chanel, Vivienne Westwood, Zara

These people should be either voting Prada or proposing a different lynch target. Unfortunately you're all ignoring me.

Where's the sense of urgency~~~

Coincidentally, a lot of my top scumreads are in here~

What makes me really said is that some of you are town

Jesus fucking christ people we've used our extension and still 3 days later no one else has voted. Town get your fucking act together

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

1. It's Seb (yeah that's not actually an argument)
2. You really need me to make it explicit? Fine.
Every other role has been a PR or negative town utility. You really think a single VT is not an out of place claim?
If you were town you would recognize how unlucky your role was and how out of place it is in this game. But you're not town, you're trying to give a town response. And failing~

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

Prada wrote:To everyone saying I am scum for claiming VT, that is my actual role so I don't see the logic there.

How is this even a counterargument~

The logic is that a VT role does not fit within the setup, you saying "its my actual role!" doesn't actually refute the point from our point of view.

Instead you should be trying to convince us that a VT role actually fits in this setup (hint: it doesn't).

Just more of Prada trying to hard to be town~

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

Chanel what is your role? Day 3 vigilante or one shot vigilante?

Does your role pm say you are mafia?

Man youre really making me rethink vig=town~

Like are you seriously not even concerned with getting a lynch today~

Vivienne you can iso burberry by clicking the link in their sig, the list of targets is in there somewhere. Iirc their targets were fendi, prada (failed obviously) and vera. Idr exactly which nights were which.

We are voting para for overall scummy play all game and claiming vt in a role madness game where vts are most likely not a thing. Theyre the best lynch today by far

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

Vivienne Westwood wrote:Had Burberry used up their power?

Yes, they claimed to have used all 3 of their shots. Meanwhile, Zara claims to have roleblocked Burb on one of the nights Burb used a shot, which effectively would have meant Burb would not have used a shot. So these claims are somewhat conflicting, although this game has certainly provided us with a fair share of false dichotomies.

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

Bulgari wrote:Unvote

In case Prada is actually town, I'd rather not see some sort of scum quick lynch.

Prada, what are you even talking about with the odd-night kill theory.

I'm less concerned about a quick lynch and far more concerned about actually getting a lynch

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

Too many people have been doing neither so strong FoS on Chanel, Vivienne and Armani

FASHIONABLE NOC ANON MAFIA - Day 7

Just over 2 days to go. Town's focus should absolutely be getting a lynch today.

If your town you should be doing one of two things:

1) Putting your vote on Prada
or
2) Arguing as to why Prada is not the best candidate for today's lynch and who is better

And the more time passes the less and less 2 becomes an option, I would advise strongly against it